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#96 "World of Torture"

6th Jun 2014, 7:47 PM
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#96 "World of Torture"
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DizzasterJuice 6th Jun 2014, 8:35 PM edit delete reply
DizzasterJuice
I remember watching something on tv just the other day about that traitor's cradle. Nasty stuff.
Songgu Kwon 6th Jun 2014, 9:37 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
It's actually called the Judas Cradle but I wanted to avoid the Judeo-Christian context. People sure are sadistic!
pharphacide 6th Jun 2014, 8:48 PM edit delete reply
pharphacide
It shares a parking lot with 'World of Swords'.
Songgu Kwon 6th Jun 2014, 9:38 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Yes it does!
Dean Clark 7th Jun 2014, 1:14 AM edit delete reply
Dean Clark
Old school enhanced interrogation. I'm Sharing this on FB.
Joel Sawyer 7th Jun 2014, 12:29 PM edit delete reply
Joel Sawyer
Later on the torturer admits that they don't even own those machines; everyone always confesses just from the descriptions! Wizards First Rule!
Golux 7th Jun 2014, 2:21 PM edit delete reply
Oh, dear, he went through all that before joining Wombat & Co. Ouch! Poor dude's had a life I don't envy.
Skweeee 7th Jun 2014, 10:57 PM edit delete reply
Skweeee
This page is nightmare fuel. Probably because I know that this stuff was actually done to people.
Songgu Kwon 9th Jun 2014, 10:11 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Yeah, and these sadistic practices were deployed by vicious, petty little men hiding behind the facade of righteousness, religious and civic.

It boggles the mind that elements of our own government believe that torture is still a viable method of extracting information from people. :o
Taran 9th Jun 2014, 4:57 PM edit delete reply
It has a long history of success.

When used for criminal confessions, it's practically useless, because you don't know if an innocent person is confessing just to make it stop or what. But for extracting information, it's very nearly 100% successful. You WILL tell them what they want to know under torture. That civilians don't know or understand this anymore is a good thing. But it's something military personnel have to live with because none of our enemies abide by the Geneva Conventions.
Songgu Kwon 9th Jun 2014, 9:34 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Yes, torture probably does have a near 100% success rate at extracting information from the victim. The question is, is any of it any good? How accurate or reliable is information submitted by some desperate soul who's primary motivation is to say whatever it takes to stop the torture? Not very, according to people who have experience in these sort of things.

Torture is barbarous and useless. Period. If anyone strongly disagrees with this statement, feel free to PM me. I am not interested in having a debate on the matter in the comments section.
Taran 9th Jun 2014, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
Oh, and most of what was used in the Middle Ages is still used today. They just have more stuff to choose from. And more ways to extend the pain and keep you alive.
Draginbeard 9th Jun 2014, 10:43 PM edit delete reply
Draginbeard
Very disturbing just how many different kinds of ways we have devised to hurt, maim, and otherwise destroy each others body and spirit.

Worse still, is how many of these instruments were invented, and put to use in the name of a higher power/being.
Mr. Whatever 10th Jun 2014, 7:52 AM edit delete reply
Mr. Whatever
There were worse but still it is obvious that any innocent men or women would confess after being tortured in any of those devises. The stupid thing about it was that the extracting of the confession or admission of guilt only served the inquisitors to justify further punishment.
hibou 10th Jun 2014, 12:18 PM edit delete reply
hibou
my understanding is the primary reason for the inquisition was to give the sadistic bastards an excuse to be sadistic bastards, and then take your stuff. this happened to entire villages in Europe where people were found "guilty" of witchcraft, heretical thoughts, etc., thus forfeiting their claim to all property and human rights.
Bjorn 11th Jun 2014, 4:19 PM edit delete reply
Many if not all of these were never actually used, but rather invented by folks in the 19th century, much like the iron maiden.
Centcomm 11th Jun 2014, 6:29 PM edit delete reply
Centcomm
wow - thats a good selection of them - only a small small selection sadly .. Humans are so horrible to each other ..

Still a fantastic page :D
Dean Clark 13th Jun 2014, 1:03 AM edit delete reply
Dean Clark
Jesse Ventura: You Give Me A Water Board, Dick Cheney And One Hour, And I'll Have Him Confess To The Sharon Tate Murders <http://crooksandliars.com/heather/jesse-ventura-you-give-me-water-board-dick>

And don't forget the Duke of Exeter's daughter. <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_(torture)>

While it is true the forces the US is currently in direct conflict with have not signed the the Geneva convention (a situation that may change soon), that just means al-Qaeda and the Taliban could use torture to get someone to say anything they would like him to say. Whatever they say wouldn't have to be true. Given that people will eventually say anything (100% of the time) to avoid torture, it is not a reliable means of gathering intelligence for the US, its allies, or its enemies.

The Inquisition was launched to suppress Catharism, which the church perceived, with some justification, to be a revival of the Manichaean heresy. (For Game of Thrones fans, George R.R. Martin has said that the religion of R'hllor is loosely based on Zoroastrianism, Manichaeism's parent religion). But when the church ran out of Manichaeans to bedevil, witch hunts remained a useful means to confiscate property, by which medical doctors could eliminate competition from midwives, and by which anyone could settle a personal grudge. <http://www.cathar.info/120401_manichaeans.htm>
Taran 28th Jun 2014, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
As to effectiveness, just for a recent example:
water boarding got the information that got Osama bin Laden.
Ogen 1st Jul 2014, 8:28 AM edit delete reply
Actually it didn't.
That information was given willingly, in an attempt to avoid torture. Then he was water boarded anyway.
Maybe you shouldn't get your facts from the people who are paid to torture regardless of its effectiveness, or shitty movies that glorify them.
Oliver 10th Oct 2014, 7:38 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, implements such as these aren't the most terrifying thing. The most terrifying thing is that there are people in the corridors of power *right now* lobbying to reintroduce them (or something similar) and give blanket immunity to those wielding them.

"Oh, but we'd only torture those people who seek to forcibly change and intimidate our democratic way of life" -- the problem is, such a definition would potentially have included the Suffragettes, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, the founders of the state of Israel and the leaders of the American Revolution.
Songgu Kwon 10th Oct 2014, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Yeah, the ol' "it's okay to torture the bad guys" mentality. It has a place in dumb movies and that's about it.
chris-tar 10th Feb 2015, 5:23 AM edit delete reply
chris-tar
You forgot the shaved Gerbil!
Lemiwinks!!!!!