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Guard of the Woman

28th Jul 2016, 9:33 AM
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Guard of the Woman
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biffboff 28th Jul 2016, 10:29 AM edit delete reply
Great stuff, as always. But how does her sword fit in that scabbard?
Songgu Kwon 28th Jul 2016, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
The scabbard is foreshortened. ;)
warriorneedsfood 28th Jul 2016, 12:04 PM edit delete reply
Well done! Big sword!
Songgu Kwon 28th Jul 2016, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Wood 28th Jul 2016, 11:57 AM edit delete reply
I guess you gotta be careful not to give yourself a haircut, in that position?
Songgu Kwon 28th Jul 2016, 12:38 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
It's ok, her hair has decent hit points. :p
dracolychee 28th Jul 2016, 1:46 PM edit delete reply
Heh, great comments :D
The hilt is a hint short for the lenth of a blade, I think, but I've seen hand-and-a-half swords like this.
Oh, and the forte of the blade will likely not be sharpened anyways, so her hair gets an even better chance of survival. If not, I'd be curious for short-haired Elf. :)
Songgu Kwon 28th Jul 2016, 3:42 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Ah yes, good point. The edges of the forte (hilt to middle) are often kept rather dull compared to the foible (middle to point).

There were many times in the past when she wore her hair short. I'll give her a haircut in the next guard drawing. :)
chris-tar 28th Jul 2016, 2:50 PM edit delete reply
This position reminds me of the one used to decapitate Conner McCloud in his last Highlander movie...
Songgu Kwon 28th Jul 2016, 3:54 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
This is a good starting point for some powerful decapitatey cuts. In the German system, there's a similar guard called Vom Tag or "roof", which makes sense. I still don't know why the Italians call this "woman". :o
matoe 29th Jul 2016, 4:29 AM edit delete reply
i think ist to guard a woman Standing next to you (on your left side) The spanish Motante and similar italian two handers were often used by Bodyguards who could come into the Situation to fight against odds. The Training Manuals of those times teached technics for this Kind of situations.
dracolychee 29th Jul 2016, 5:10 AM edit delete reply
That's interesting! It's definitely not a good defensive guard (at least not to defend oneself), but it looks menacing and at the same time, your arms won't go numb. I do so need to research this. Thanks for the hint, and thanks Songgu once more for a comic that draws awesome nerd knowledge :D
Songgu Kwon 29th Jul 2016, 10:42 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
I hadn't considered that angle. Protecting a lady certainly has that chivalric flavor.

However, based on my reading of Fiore's manuscript, I get the sense that it's less about shielding the said woman from danger as it is about the nature of the woman herself. Here are some of the translations of his descriptions of the various types of Posta di Donna:

"[6] This grip is the noble Stance of the Queen:
She defends against cutting and thrusting in every way."

"I am named the Guard or Post of the Lady, and[6] I am different from the four[7] sword guards[8] that came before me, even though they are themselves different from each other.[9]"

"I am the Stance of the Queen, noble and proud
For making defense in every manner;
And whoever wants to contend against me
Will want to find a longer sword than mine."

"This is the Guard of the Lady,[23] from which you can make all seven of the sword’s strikes and cover them too. And from this guard you can break the other guards with the strong blows you can make, and you can also quickly exchange thrusts. Advance your front foot offline, and then pass diagonally with your rear foot. This will take you to a position where your opponent is unprotected, and you will then be able to quickly strike him.[24]"

Given the great power and flexibility of the queen in the game of chess and hence, notions like the sword being the "queen of weapons" and so forth, I feel that Posta di Donna is a reference to the subtle, deadly power of the woman.

Well, that's just my interpretation. ;)
dracolychee 29th Jul 2016, 5:04 PM edit delete reply
Makes sense. :)
I didn't expect the stance to be good for defense 'cause it takes some time to get the sword between oneself and an opponent, but yeah, it's flexible. ... And it just dawns on me that it's great to strike with the pommel, too. (I'm such a beginner.)
Songgu Kwon 30th Jul 2016, 1:23 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
The way many of the old fight manuscripts are written is interesting. To the modern ear, they seem to have a poetic structure. And the words are often cryptic as they were composed to illicit memories of practicing the techniques without completely explaining the techniques to the uninitiated.

It's all rather mysterious to me. I haven't even reached proper beginner level in swordsmanship yet. ;)
dracolychee 30th Jul 2016, 4:29 PM edit delete reply
My beginner level is like: in a sparring session of 15 mins, die 30+ times. Win never. Sometimes land a hit, but die the more painful death of the sparring partners. ;D

I heard that the rhythm of some of these descriptions may even be related to footwork. Not sure if there's anything behind, but the idea alone is cool.
blatboy 2nd Aug 2016, 8:57 AM edit delete reply

Foreshortened = Scabbard of holding?