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#35 "Royal Family Tree"

7th Mar 2013, 7:47 PM
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#35 "Royal Family Tree"
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Danger Schade 7th Mar 2013, 8:18 PM edit delete reply
Danger Schade
Revolt revolt! Disobey the orders of the authorities and demand self governance by the the population!
Songgu Kwon 7th Mar 2013, 8:34 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
You sir, are a dangerous ANARCHIST!
Danger Schade 7th Mar 2013, 8:45 PM edit delete reply
Danger Schade
CHARTERS. All about charters.

Or just straight into democracy, if the monarchy is feeling especially radical.
Centcomm 7th Mar 2013, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
wars are fought over so many silly things.. >_<
Songgu Kwon 7th Mar 2013, 9:22 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Indeed. It's complete madness, triggered by the machinations of a few powerful people with ambitions to acquire just a little more of that power which they already have plenty of.
Centcomm 7th Mar 2013, 10:02 PM edit delete reply
so.. so true.
gibberish 7th Mar 2013, 10:11 PM edit delete reply
Being of noble blood and raised in aristocracy, I would have to agree with you Sir Gu of West Rogers.
Dodom 7th Mar 2013, 10:52 PM edit delete reply
Like real life?! O:
Songgu Kwon 8th Mar 2013, 1:16 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Ah, the life of a gentleman of leisure... bring more MEAT and CAKE! And WINE!
Dean Clark 8th Mar 2013, 1:12 AM edit delete reply
Dean Clark
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses.
Songgu Kwon 8th Mar 2013, 1:18 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Nope. Watery tart threw the sword at me. I am your king. Yup.
Dean Clark 8th Mar 2013, 1:33 AM edit delete reply
Dean Clark
Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system! This dispute could have been avoided, or postponed at least, if the kingdom didn't follow Sallic law, and the Queen could rule as monarch.
Songgu Kwon 8th Mar 2013, 2:01 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
True. But in this case, the queen has two strikes against her from the get go; she is a woman and she is an elf. Humans in this realm generally respect elves but are not comfortable with the idea of being ruled by one. Her adversary, the princess is at least human and from the bloodline of several generations of kings.
gibberish 8th Mar 2013, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
I would have to agree with them, I wouldn't like to be ruled by an elf. They should stick to living in trees and baking cookies, seriously.
Draginbeard 8th Mar 2013, 2:00 AM edit delete reply
Poor Prince Modri and Sigmor...both lost to a watery grave. I do wonder if they threw Modri out with the bath water...I hear they do that with babies still.
Songgu Kwon 8th Mar 2013, 3:22 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
I especially feel bad for Modri. Death by bathing accident sounds anticlimactic.
Dean Clark 8th Mar 2013, 2:11 AM edit delete reply
Dean Clark
There were many monarchs of foreign origin. And if people from a country were good enough to marry the monarch, they were good enough to rule. Some foreign-born monarchs were even women, such as Catherine the Great. But if this kingdom follows Sallic law, the Queen's origin is not a factor in preventing her from taking rule; her gender is. If this kingdom did not follow Sallic law, she could even marry Wulfric, and make Orvar, or whoever they beget, undisputed heir.

Since there are presumably no blood/DNA tests at this time, Borghildr's claim Orvar is not Halvar's child would have to be taken on faith. Unless there is some sort of magic proof. And if Orvar is not recognized as Halvar's child, under Sallic law I believe descent would revert to cousins or distant cousins. If no cousin qualifies, a new dynasty would be needed. Borghildr's child, in any event, would not qualify as heir to the throne, since, even if it were male, he would not have angatic (through a male line) descent from Halvar, or anyone Halvar had agnatic descent from. Unless, maybe, Wieland is the distant cousin who qualifies as heir, in lieu of Orvar.

I suspect Sigmor washed on shore of a tropical island, where he met a delightful native girl. Their child is, in fact, the rightful heir to the throne, under the unnecessarily complicated laws of this kingdom!
Songgu Kwon 8th Mar 2013, 3:55 AM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
The laws regarding female inheritance in this land is similar to Sallic law in that male descendants and relatives take precedence. However, in the case of the king's sister, under the laws of this land, she actually has a pretty strong claim to the throne.

As for Prince Sigmor's fate... all will be revealed. Eventually. So there's really no need to talk about Sigmor, really. I mean, he probably actually did drown. "Lost at sea" sounds so romantic but really, come on. How many instances have you heard of people declared "lost at sea" actually surviving after all? Right, so no more talk of that Sigmor fellow. Jolly good.
Dean Clark 8th Mar 2013, 6:26 AM edit delete reply
Dean Clark
"[Under] Chilperic I sometime around the year 570, the law was actually amended to permit inheritance of land by a daughter if a man had no surviving sons. ...if all agnates become extinct, then the closest heiress (such as a daughter) of the last male holder of the property inherits, and after her, her own male heirs according to the Salic order.... succession is allowed also through female lines, but excludes the females themselves in favour of their sons.... This can be called a Quasi-Salic system of succession...." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salic_law#Female_inheritance

Borghildr's male heir might have a claim to the throne, provided Orvar could somehow be proven not to be Halvar's son, and assuming this kingdom has Quasi-Sallic laws of succession. In this case, however, since neither Burghildr's nor Ereuweth's male heir would have an agnatic line from Halvar, neither would have clear claim to the succession. A good set-up for a civil war.

(Quasi-)Sallic law would prevent Ereuweth from being queen, but would also prevent Burghildr from doing so. If Burghildr wins this war, she would need to produce that mystery son quick if she wants to reign as his regent.

Under a system of succession such as found in England, Ereuweth could be queen, and a child through Wulfric could be her male heir. And Burghildr could be queen, and her son through Wieland could be her male her. But England doesn't follow Sallic law. And if this kingdom, like England, didn't follow some form of Sallic law, Ereuweth could be queen.

If some form of racism prevents Elves from reigning in this kingdom, it would have to be of an implausibly specific form, one which nonetheless allows Half-Elves to rule. And allows full-blooded Elves to marry ruling monarchs.

I bet Sigmor has hooked up with Miss Uncharted Island, and spends most of his time on sandy beaches sipping drinks from glasses with little umbrellas. It may be necessary to drag him back to his native kingdom.
Mayyday 8th Mar 2013, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
Where does our elf fall in all of this? Is she on the Queen's side?
Songgu Kwon 8th Mar 2013, 3:14 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
Yes. She is part of a small token company of elven warriors sent by the king of the elves to bolster the queen's army.
Dean Clark 9th Mar 2013, 1:37 AM edit delete reply
Dean Clark
Since King Uhloff, of "The Village" (#32), is in power 30 years later, I'm guessing he is Borghildr's and Wieland's male heir. Orvar may still be around somewhere, but not sitting on the throne. This flashback may be meant to explain why Elfgirl's party later joins forces with Orvar in exile, possibly under Wulfric's protection in Wideham. So maybe Wulfric retreated to defend Wideham's borders, and effectively secede from Uhloff's rule. (Though it appears there would have been an interim regency under Burhildr, pending Uhloff's graduation from grade school). Maybe. When this flashback is over, I hope we get to see the Chia Golem outside Mebora, especially if someone reanimates it.
Songgu Kwon 15th Mar 2013, 12:10 PM edit delete reply
Songgu Kwon
It's interesting how a story takes on new dimensions as soon as you flash back or forward in time. I too hope we get to see that chia golem. :)
Blurlok 20th Mar 2013, 11:09 AM edit delete reply
Erador 16th Jun 2013, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
All I can say is... I wouldn't mind ONE LITTLE BIT being ruled by an elf Queen. ;-)
Guesticus 2nd Dec 2013, 10:17 AM edit delete reply
Wait wait wait! Earl of Wideham and Earl of Dunbluff? Are you done bluffing, or are those pigs especially large?